02-14-2015, 06:34 AM
Lunarscope said = TRAVIS Journal thread!
Travis kept assorted daily Journals and likely had one designated for Jodi and what Journal would Jodi steal to reinvent history, all we have is Travis saying a journal was missing,' he had to have informed Jodi that he possessed a timeline of accusations that pinpointed her devious involvement, so Jodi steals that journal (you are the worst thing that ever happened to me' three hole comment) and reading it ("I don't know what's wrong with that boy") starts planning the slaughter, negating her desire for a Cancun vacation!
NOTE below Kathy to Music (well said) post (Music's post) was pasted here pages back!
KathyH said

Well said MusicMan, well said. I've read all 534 pages that Beth Karas has posted (I subscribe) but unfortunately there are only about 20 pages written by Travis. The rest are all Jodi Arias, and the time period is ~ Jan 2007 thru July 2008. I'd say half of JA's journals are notes she's taking during telecons, seminars, and book excerpts. But the other half really show how fixated she was on Travis and all things Travis. I bet if one were to add up how many times she wrote his name it would surpass the 1,000 mark by far. My take-aways from reading these are:
* JA used the "teachings" from her PPL seminars/conferences to figure out better ways to entice Travis. Most people skip over all these development-type notes in her journals lol but I read them. And I think she was interested in them only as a means to "sell to" Travis. If you've ever read a sales development book you'll know what I'm talking about. And you'll see that JA was adapting these characteristics with Travis. "Ask good questions, listen, BE NICE, appear interested, mirror your customer, close the deal, etc." I don't think she made those notes to improve her PPL selling; I think she made them to try and figure out how to sell herself to Travis.
* She wrote negative things all over the place. The whole Law of Attraction was bullshit - IMO. She does write often about it, but not nearly as much as we were led to believe with her testimony. AND she acknowledges in many places that it "just isn't working!!".
* No mention anywhere of an "official" relationship with Travis. In fact, I don't believe she ever had an "official" relationship with Travis after reading these, I think she made it all up. There are entries indicating that Travis had already called off the romance as early as January 2007. Which is not surprising considering her willingness to give up sex so early on in their relationship (a week after meeting him? What person is going to consider that a good thing for a potential spouse lol? Maybe I'm old fashioned...). Or maybe - just maybe - there never was any sex until much later? Or maybe there was some and Travis stopped it?
* I don't get the impression there was much sex going on at all between them, not until late 2007 into early 2008. She writes about "making out" and "intentional" bumping into each other. In fact, it's kind of creepy how she writes about things most people would consider insignificant (like "he touched my hand during the conference). But I really get the feel that the sexual part of their relationship was building - and not necessarily occurring - until much later than her testimony indicated. And when it did start, she admits several times that she was the instigator and/or otherwise the leading contributor/director of their "fruitful" sessions. And none, zero, nada mention of anal sex.
* I strongly believe she re-wrote her entire last journal (which started around 5/14/08 thru 7/14/08). The 'style' of her writing changes. Much longer passages which include historical references, background, etc., that one would not bother to note if it was only one's daily thoughts, in my opinion. I think she spent her six weeks between the murder and her arrest re-writing this journal. Unfortunately, she hadn't yet figured out her revised defense so nothing on abuse or pedophilia. What is appalling about this particular journal is how much "fun" she is having with her family, her friends, going to concerts, shopping, and just having a grand 'ol time. Oh but several "why did this happen to Travis! Who did this!!!????" entries for drama.
* Ryan Burns was not nearly as "into her" as she stated before her trip. In fact, before she solidified that trip with him, she was journalling about him not calling her back, must not be that interested, 'oh-well, I need to move on....' Then on 5/30/08 she notes that she spoke with him (I think she called him again) and they agreed on the date! But even in that journal entry she wrote "But he doesn't seem overly interested in me, although he seems happy that I'm coming out to see him".... Remember she testified that Ryan was pushing her to come visit..... right.
* The building resentment and rage is obvious to me. I'm not trained in any mental health field mind you, but I'm pretty sure I can spot resentment building. I raised two kids lol. She is extremely frustrated that she can't get Travis to commit to her and that frustration keeps building. WHY won't he see this? WHY won't he understand how much *I* love him!! I see a ticking time bomb....
Just wanted to share my observations since Lunar started the journal discussions lol. In fact, I'm going to post two pages that you will find interesting. Beth Karas gave me permission on these two pages BTW in case you are wondering 
NOTE the handwritten Jodi journal pages didn't paste, I cannot take liberty and just assume its OK to repost anyway, so I don't think it's allowed!
KathyH said
Here's two pages from Jodi's journals. The 10/27/07 entry has two very interesting points I think. First, the poem. She writes that this is a poem that she wrote in "January". So since this is 10/27/07, she must mean January 2007 - just a few short months after meeting him. The poem certainly does suggest the relationship was over to me. And talk about resentment....
Second, her reference to suicide and how this has only become a "thought" recently. The testimony we've heard implies she's been suicidal on and off most of her life, right? Well I guess she doesn't know that.
MusicMan983 said
Kathy,
Thanks for sharing your insights on this, as well as the various pages from JAA's journal as well. It's pretty clear that the defense distorted the image of who JAA really was/is to the point where it simply does not add up with any real person (and when compared to the more candid and private moments captured in her past journals). It was a mistake of her defense team to try and present the image of her as a completely non-real person (and perpetual victim), which only highlighted for both juries the stark contrast to the person who comitted the murder, and then carried out so many monstrous things in the course of either tryng to cover her tracks or try to got off scott-free in court...
- You certainly raise an intriguing possibility of JAA's final journal being a complete re-write. Certainly, once she starting "staging" various entries after the murder to try and appear as if she was somehow innocent of the crime, it opens the door for the accusation that the post 5/14/08 journal was ALL a re-write and a work of grand fiction - After all, even JAA was not stupid enough to journal her various actions of premeditation. Can you imagine?...
1) "I stole Grandpa's gun today, and a few other things, then made it look like a robbery! -I am sure no one suspects me (even though I was home alone before the robbery)! "
2) "Daryl agreed to trade me for two of his gas cans. I can pick them up on the way when I am in So Cal. All I need is one more can and I can slip into Arizona undetected! The cops will never be able to figure/prove out my movements! "
3) "I think I will dye my hair like Lisa or Mimi, so if anyone spots me near his house, they will not recognize me! "
4) "If I turn my cell phone off when I am in Arizona, I can always slough it off that my battery died and/or I lost the charger! "
5) "I read an article some time ago that if you turn your license plate upside down, the traffic light cameras will not be able to read the plate! 
6) "Finally decided! if I can't have him, no one can! "
...etc!
- One of the biggest understatements of ALL TIME from JAA's 10/26/07 entry: "I am quick to fall in love and very slow to fall out!"...Hey! No sh*t, Sherlock!
- Or how about this nugget of utter denial from JAA: "I spoke w/ Matt McCartney for the first time in three months. He's thouroughly convinced I should commit myself. I don't think I need to do anything that drastic!" - It's a shame that JAA did not take her friend's advice back in 2007. Had she done so, perhaps none of us would ever have heard about Mr. Alexander, or her (or ever seen her journal pages) or ever seen WAY to much of her in photos, or heard WAY too much about their love lives...etc? But I somehow doubt it! Dangerous folks like JAA set their feet down a long and tangled road towards a tragic destination early in their lives; and it seems like it's VERY hard for them to avoid it (especially with someone like JAA who refuses to listen to the sound advise of family/friends to get help, and who does not want to admit that SHE is the problem, not the other people in her life)!...
lunarscope said
Wow and double Wow you guys understand deeply, I say demented from birth or soon after birth, If it wasn't Travis someone else would've been slaughtered' likely a serial slaughter in the making!
Travis kept assorted daily Journals and likely had one designated for Jodi and what Journal would Jodi steal to reinvent history, all we have is Travis saying a journal was missing,' he had to have informed Jodi that he possessed a timeline of accusations that pinpointed her devious involvement, so Jodi steals that journal (you are the worst thing that ever happened to me' three hole comment) and reading it ("I don't know what's wrong with that boy") starts planning the slaughter, negating her desire for a Cancun vacation!
NOTE below Kathy to Music (well said) post (Music's post) was pasted here pages back!
KathyH said

Well said MusicMan, well said. I've read all 534 pages that Beth Karas has posted (I subscribe) but unfortunately there are only about 20 pages written by Travis. The rest are all Jodi Arias, and the time period is ~ Jan 2007 thru July 2008. I'd say half of JA's journals are notes she's taking during telecons, seminars, and book excerpts. But the other half really show how fixated she was on Travis and all things Travis. I bet if one were to add up how many times she wrote his name it would surpass the 1,000 mark by far. My take-aways from reading these are:
* JA used the "teachings" from her PPL seminars/conferences to figure out better ways to entice Travis. Most people skip over all these development-type notes in her journals lol but I read them. And I think she was interested in them only as a means to "sell to" Travis. If you've ever read a sales development book you'll know what I'm talking about. And you'll see that JA was adapting these characteristics with Travis. "Ask good questions, listen, BE NICE, appear interested, mirror your customer, close the deal, etc." I don't think she made those notes to improve her PPL selling; I think she made them to try and figure out how to sell herself to Travis.
* She wrote negative things all over the place. The whole Law of Attraction was bullshit - IMO. She does write often about it, but not nearly as much as we were led to believe with her testimony. AND she acknowledges in many places that it "just isn't working!!".
* No mention anywhere of an "official" relationship with Travis. In fact, I don't believe she ever had an "official" relationship with Travis after reading these, I think she made it all up. There are entries indicating that Travis had already called off the romance as early as January 2007. Which is not surprising considering her willingness to give up sex so early on in their relationship (a week after meeting him? What person is going to consider that a good thing for a potential spouse lol? Maybe I'm old fashioned...). Or maybe - just maybe - there never was any sex until much later? Or maybe there was some and Travis stopped it?
* I don't get the impression there was much sex going on at all between them, not until late 2007 into early 2008. She writes about "making out" and "intentional" bumping into each other. In fact, it's kind of creepy how she writes about things most people would consider insignificant (like "he touched my hand during the conference). But I really get the feel that the sexual part of their relationship was building - and not necessarily occurring - until much later than her testimony indicated. And when it did start, she admits several times that she was the instigator and/or otherwise the leading contributor/director of their "fruitful" sessions. And none, zero, nada mention of anal sex.
* I strongly believe she re-wrote her entire last journal (which started around 5/14/08 thru 7/14/08). The 'style' of her writing changes. Much longer passages which include historical references, background, etc., that one would not bother to note if it was only one's daily thoughts, in my opinion. I think she spent her six weeks between the murder and her arrest re-writing this journal. Unfortunately, she hadn't yet figured out her revised defense so nothing on abuse or pedophilia. What is appalling about this particular journal is how much "fun" she is having with her family, her friends, going to concerts, shopping, and just having a grand 'ol time. Oh but several "why did this happen to Travis! Who did this!!!????" entries for drama.
* Ryan Burns was not nearly as "into her" as she stated before her trip. In fact, before she solidified that trip with him, she was journalling about him not calling her back, must not be that interested, 'oh-well, I need to move on....' Then on 5/30/08 she notes that she spoke with him (I think she called him again) and they agreed on the date! But even in that journal entry she wrote "But he doesn't seem overly interested in me, although he seems happy that I'm coming out to see him".... Remember she testified that Ryan was pushing her to come visit..... right.
* The building resentment and rage is obvious to me. I'm not trained in any mental health field mind you, but I'm pretty sure I can spot resentment building. I raised two kids lol. She is extremely frustrated that she can't get Travis to commit to her and that frustration keeps building. WHY won't he see this? WHY won't he understand how much *I* love him!! I see a ticking time bomb....
Just wanted to share my observations since Lunar started the journal discussions lol. In fact, I'm going to post two pages that you will find interesting. Beth Karas gave me permission on these two pages BTW in case you are wondering 
NOTE the handwritten Jodi journal pages didn't paste, I cannot take liberty and just assume its OK to repost anyway, so I don't think it's allowed!
KathyH said
Here's two pages from Jodi's journals. The 10/27/07 entry has two very interesting points I think. First, the poem. She writes that this is a poem that she wrote in "January". So since this is 10/27/07, she must mean January 2007 - just a few short months after meeting him. The poem certainly does suggest the relationship was over to me. And talk about resentment....
Second, her reference to suicide and how this has only become a "thought" recently. The testimony we've heard implies she's been suicidal on and off most of her life, right? Well I guess she doesn't know that.
MusicMan983 said
Kathy,
Thanks for sharing your insights on this, as well as the various pages from JAA's journal as well. It's pretty clear that the defense distorted the image of who JAA really was/is to the point where it simply does not add up with any real person (and when compared to the more candid and private moments captured in her past journals). It was a mistake of her defense team to try and present the image of her as a completely non-real person (and perpetual victim), which only highlighted for both juries the stark contrast to the person who comitted the murder, and then carried out so many monstrous things in the course of either tryng to cover her tracks or try to got off scott-free in court...
- You certainly raise an intriguing possibility of JAA's final journal being a complete re-write. Certainly, once she starting "staging" various entries after the murder to try and appear as if she was somehow innocent of the crime, it opens the door for the accusation that the post 5/14/08 journal was ALL a re-write and a work of grand fiction - After all, even JAA was not stupid enough to journal her various actions of premeditation. Can you imagine?...
1) "I stole Grandpa's gun today, and a few other things, then made it look like a robbery! -I am sure no one suspects me (even though I was home alone before the robbery)! "
2) "Daryl agreed to trade me for two of his gas cans. I can pick them up on the way when I am in So Cal. All I need is one more can and I can slip into Arizona undetected! The cops will never be able to figure/prove out my movements! "
3) "I think I will dye my hair like Lisa or Mimi, so if anyone spots me near his house, they will not recognize me! "
4) "If I turn my cell phone off when I am in Arizona, I can always slough it off that my battery died and/or I lost the charger! "
5) "I read an article some time ago that if you turn your license plate upside down, the traffic light cameras will not be able to read the plate! 
6) "Finally decided! if I can't have him, no one can! "
...etc!
- One of the biggest understatements of ALL TIME from JAA's 10/26/07 entry: "I am quick to fall in love and very slow to fall out!"...Hey! No sh*t, Sherlock!
- Or how about this nugget of utter denial from JAA: "I spoke w/ Matt McCartney for the first time in three months. He's thouroughly convinced I should commit myself. I don't think I need to do anything that drastic!" - It's a shame that JAA did not take her friend's advice back in 2007. Had she done so, perhaps none of us would ever have heard about Mr. Alexander, or her (or ever seen her journal pages) or ever seen WAY to much of her in photos, or heard WAY too much about their love lives...etc? But I somehow doubt it! Dangerous folks like JAA set their feet down a long and tangled road towards a tragic destination early in their lives; and it seems like it's VERY hard for them to avoid it (especially with someone like JAA who refuses to listen to the sound advise of family/friends to get help, and who does not want to admit that SHE is the problem, not the other people in her life)!...
lunarscope said
Wow and double Wow you guys understand deeply, I say demented from birth or soon after birth, If it wasn't Travis someone else would've been slaughtered' likely a serial slaughter in the making!