Observer,
I AM WITH YOU!
This sur-rebuttal case is just a rehashing of everything that we have already heard, including the jury. Because they have nothing else, the trashing of Travis will continue. Because they have nothing else, mental illness will be discussed once again. I have no desire to hear any of it.
I do want to hear Arias' allocution. I do want to hear closing arguments and when this trial is ever televised, there will probably be parts that I will watch.
I too will be very happy when she becomes a number in the prison system and is forgotten by all of us in the free world. she deserves no less!
(02-17-2015, 04:54 PM)NERN Wrote: [ -> ]Observer,
I AM WITH YOU!
This sur-rebuttal case is just a rehashing of everything that we have already heard, including the jury. Because they have nothing else, the trashing of Travis will continue. Because they have nothing else, mental illness will be discussed once again. I have no desire to hear any of it.
I do want to hear Arias' allocution. I do want to hear closing arguments and when this trial is ever televised, there will probably be parts that I will watch.
I too will be very happy when she becomes a number in the prison system and is forgotten by all of us in the free world. she deserves no less!
Well, I want to watch the whole thing and I look forward to it if it is done on youtube. I want to see the prosecutor and the defense ask the questions and how the witnesses answer. I want to watch from day 1 to the final conclusion. I even want to watch MF and Geffner tell their "expert" testimony. That's my story and I am really getting excited that possibly soon I will be able to see this hopefully final trial so many years after the murder and so many months after the beginning day of this trial.
You go for it Duluth!
Who knows, I may fall prey to watching it all too!
(02-17-2015, 08:23 PM)NERN Wrote: [ -> ]You go for it Duluth!
Who knows, I may fall prey to watching it all too!
I think you will, but then you may be stronger than me. I know I am weak. And I like watching the process. Just reading a few paragraphs by others doesn't really let me see or feel, if you know what I mean. I don't know why I (we) like these things, but some things are maybe just unexplainable. And frankly, for me, I am so fascinated by these people who can just lie like they do. Blatantly. Didn't I mention to you guys about seeing that Lance Armstrong documentary? He is a really serious liar, big time. I don't know exactly what that is, but maybe it is a lack of conscience and some people do it very well. In the Arias case, my feeling is that she is a very bad, almost evil, me me me person. I really feel like she enjoys the pain the Alexander siblings feel. I don't know what makes me believe that, but I do believe it. I hope she never sees the light of day again.
Duluth, it is not about being weak at all but rather it is an interest of yours and there is no need to apologize to anyone for your interests.
I think that I have mentioned before that my interest stems, I think, from my grandfather and his enjoyment of reading mysteries. I have loved to read all my life and with spending a lot of time with my grandparents when I was young, I just started to read what he was reading.
Arias gets almost a delightful feeling and enjoyment for what she is doing to the Alexander family and to her own.
She feels that they think they are "better" than her. THAT she cannot tolerate and will do everything in her power to prove that she is smarter, nicer and better than them.
With her family, she just doesn't care. They did not give her ALL the support that she felt she deserved in life AND they even called the police on her. Never mind that she grew up in a home with siblings that deserved attention as well.
It is all about HER and you are right, it is me, me, me.
I do not think she has any conscience at all. As long as she gets what she wants, she is happy. It does not matter to her who gets in her way.
Whether she gets the DP or LWOP, she WILL NEVER see the light of day in the free world again. She will be forgotten and that will drive her nuts.
Nern, I came in here to tell Duluth that she is right about Arias not having a conscience and not caring about her own family and you beat me to it. You said exactly what I was going to say. I think all three of us have been blogging together so long we're like and old married couple that finish each others sentences. LOL
Proof of Arias not having a conscience was her flat affect and complete lack of emotion the first day of her 18 days on the stand when Kirk Nurmi asked her if she killed Travis Alexander and she said as matter of fact that she had and when he asked why she turned to the jury as if she was waiting on customers at a restaurant said, "the short of it is I was fighting for my life that day." As the body language experts said, if the normal person is talking about someone wanting to kill them, they would be reliving it and there would be emotion and their body would react to protect themselves. She has no reaction whatsoever. But in the allocution when she talks about Daryl's son, Jack being taller than he was, a sob catches in her throat.
One thing I noticed is that Arias uses her family whenever it benefited her. To try to avoid being convicted of first degree murder, she played on the last jury by saying her childhood was idyllic until she was seven and then her mother changed and started beating her with a wooden spoon and her father hit her with a belt and pushed her into a wall. Then in the death penalty phase, she said they shouldn't execute her because of her loving, wonderful family.
To this jury, she decided to amp it up a bit and in her "secret" testimony, she claimed she was raised by a cocaine snorting father her beat her daily with belts and pushed her against a wall and knocked her out and a bad bad mother who not only beat her with a wooden spoon, but smoked pot the day she delivered her first child. What kind of mother would do that? Yet, she specifically told Dr. DeMarte her parents did not use drugs and told her own psychological experts that she was NOT abused as a child. I am sure Fonseca and Geffner will testify in the surrebutal that she was in denial and into The Secret Law of Attractive nonsense and that's why she didn't talk about the abuse and tell the truth about the murder. But now she is out of denial and telling the truth.
It'll be interesting to see if she will say the jury should save her life because of her family to this jury during allocution or if she will play the victim and say her brother wanted to testify for her but he was afraid of death threats and the rest of her family just didn't care enough to testify for her. I am sure she is furious at her grandmother and her cousin Aimee for betraying her and saying she was mean to her mother, sarcastic, corrected their grammar and acted like a total bitch. And now the jury and the public know the real Jodi Arias. I am sure Geffner and Fonseca will have a perfectly good explanation for why her own relatives would say mean things to her.
(02-17-2015, 09:57 PM)NERN Wrote: [ -> ]Duluth, it is not about being weak at all but rather it is an interest of yours and there is no need to apologize to anyone for your interests.
I think that I have mentioned before that my interest stems, I think, from my grandfather and his enjoyment of reading mysteries. I have loved to read all my life and with spending a lot of time with my grandparents when I was young, I just started to read what he was reading.
Arias gets almost a delightful feeling and enjoyment for what she is doing to the Alexander family and to her own.
She feels that they think they are "better" than her. THAT she cannot tolerate and will do everything in her power to prove that she is smarter, nicer and better than them.
With her family, she just doesn't care. They did not give her ALL the support that she felt she deserved in life AND they even called the police on her. Never mind that she grew up in a home with siblings that deserved attention as well.
It is all about HER and you are right, it is me, me, me.
I do not think she has any conscience at all. As long as she gets what she wants, she is happy. It does not matter to her who gets in her way.
Whether she gets the DP or LWOP, she WILL NEVER see the light of day in the free world again. She will be forgotten and that will drive her nuts.
It is a serious interest for me and I, like you, have been reading mysteries since I was a child. There were always books of all kinds in our house and my grandparents' homes. One thing I have wondered about is if it might be some sort of genetic thing being that my maternal grandfather was a sheriff and then a Texas Ranger of all things. He never talked about his cases, but I do think some of that rubbed off on me and my sister. I remember lawmen coming to his house all the time, FBI guys, all kinds of lawmen. I bet that had something to do with my interest. Actually in those days, the adults never talked to the child/adolescent about anything, really. I am glad those days have changed. Salhapatica and I both love to watch the real-life mysteries on TV as well. Regardless, interest or not, I am weak when it comes to my interest in this case. I want to see it to the final conclusion. And people are interesting, aren't they? Even people who haven't committed murder! Oh, well, we are hopefully coming to the end. I am excited for it.
Arias will have some kind of a story to tell in her allocution as to why no one came forward to speak on her behalf. Of course she will.
If she uses her family as a reason to save her life then she will be exposed for the hypocrite that she is. Being a hypocrite will just be added to the long list of personality traits that are now well know,
The two "experts" can talk all they want about the Laws of Attraction and denial regarding Arias not talking earlier about the abuse in her childhood.
But the evidence stands and it is evidence in HER OWN WORDS that she was not abused as a child nor did her parents use drugs.
What is blatantly obvious is she is lying once again when she all of a sudden comes out of denial and accuses them of these actions.
The Law of Attraction is much the same. I am sure she read somewhere where another accused used this as reason and she just stole it from there.
And yes Observer, your analogy of a married couple and those of us who have been faithful in writing comments in this forum is quite good. LOL also!
Duluth,
I would think that your family being in law enforcement probably peaked your interest at an early age.
and.....I too will hang in there until this fiasco is concluded.
Well, I have not been here near as long as you people have, but I did go back and read everything in all those pages and pages before everything crashed and the discussion started all over again. There was so many interesting, truthful and well researched things discussed and brought out in this forum that I felt compelled to join.
I'm the 'new kid on the block', but equally invested in time and research on this case. I think my main interest is in the sheer evil that has been presented, not only by Arias, but her hand-picked witnesses as well as her defense team. I have never seen any group of people act without conscience or moral boundaries like these people have done since day one.
I do wholeheartedly recommend the book by Robert D,]. Hare, PhD, 'Without Conscience'. It could be because I've read things by him and other reliable experts that I see Jodi Arias as, yes, having Boderline Personality Disorder, but also as a full blown chilling psychopath. It started with her as a child, as in hitting her brother in the head with a ball bat, then telling the babysitter, "I don't know why he's crying." He was 2 years younger than her. Then, her treatment of animals. Her using people all her life for what she could 'get' for her own benefit. To this day, she has no compassion for her dads health problems or her parents financial problems that SHE alone has caused.
She's a pathological liar. She's an imposter at everything, with everyone. Her parents didn't even get to visit her in jail after she was released from the psycho ward at the hospital where she went for evaluation. She only has use for them now to continue to put money in her jail account! Soon they won't be able to do that, or not much and she'll throw them aside. She will eventually go after Nurmi and Wilmott and likely even the Judge! Once she no longer needs them...
She is exactly like those Dr. Hare talks about in his book. Jodi Arias is, without a doubt, WITHOUT CONSCIENCE. (I have this on my Nook, and have gone back and read and read, and each time, it reinforces to me, that she is a Psychopath. Dr. Randles also has some very interesting and informative articles also. (I guess those 2 are my favorites.)
(02-18-2015, 06:23 AM)Justice Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I have not been here near as long as you people have, but I did go back and read everything in all those pages and pages before everything crashed and the discussion started all over again. There was so many interesting, truthful and well researched things discussed and brought out in this forum that I felt compelled to join.
I'm the 'new kid on the block', but equally invested in time and research on this case. I think my main interest is in the sheer evil that has been presented, not only by Arias, but her hand-picked witnesses as well as her defense team. I have never seen any group of people act without conscience or moral boundaries like these people have done since day one.
I do wholeheartedly recommend the book by Robert D,]. Hare, PhD, 'Without Conscience'. It could be because I've read things by him and other reliable experts that I see Jodi Arias as, yes, having Boderline Personality Disorder, but also as a full blown chilling psychopath. It started with her as a child, as in hitting her brother in the head with a ball bat, then telling the babysitter, "I don't know why he's crying." He was 2 years younger than her. Then, her treatment of animals. Her using people all her life for what she could 'get' for her own benefit. To this day, she has no compassion for her dads health problems or her parents financial problems that SHE alone has caused.
She's a pathological liar. She's an imposter at everything, with everyone. Her parents didn't even get to visit her in jail after she was released from the psycho ward at the hospital where she went for evaluation. She only has use for them now to continue to put money in her jail account! Soon they won't be able to do that, or not much and she'll throw them aside. She will eventually go after Nurmi and Wilmott and likely even the Judge! Once she no longer needs them...
She is exactly like those Dr. Hare talks about in his book. Jodi Arias is, without a doubt, WITHOUT CONSCIENCE. (I have this on my Nook, and have gone back and read and read, and each time, it reinforces to me, that she is a Psychopath. Dr. Randles also has some very interesting and informative articles also. (I guess those 2 are my favorites.)
I will have to get this book, Justice. I already have one called The Sociopath Next Door which is very explanatory and one I would recommend. I also like Dr. K's articles and hope she does her book. This brings up a point. What would Lavilette be considered? Her testimony sounded like there were thousands of pages of evidence that shows how abusive Travis was to Arias. Thousands. I suspect she is a manipulative controller and uses her power to control men in many ways regarding her ability to testify in family law or criminal law in this case. Dr. DeMarte gave me the impression that Travis a few times called Arias bad names, not thousands of pages of abuse. Who is being truthful? I am really liking your thought about the so-called expert witnesses acting without conscience or moral boundaries. It is such a scary thought to me that our legal system allows blatant lies and liars like we have seen in this trial, this long, long trial.