Thanks to Nurmi motions' a Jodi appeal will set DP or not a precident as far as attorney researching!
Good post Observer' the female slant makes news that a male slant doesn't, I believe theirs some crime deterrent, minimal but measurable!
Since Jodi ruined her life along with costing Travis his life, to me she is newsworthy, I would watch her final interview, I will not listen to a word from anyone in her family or the defense attorneys, noone that favors Jodi deserve my time, I do hope to someday see Jodi on video on execution day' so after verdict would be fine with me, it will be a book closing event!
I hope she wears prison uniform for the verdict and Jodi in street clothes would be a insult at this time, I would prefer to never hear her speak to cameras unless its her final words, we should only read about appeal denials after verdict day!
Vixen - your comment on the order of Travis' slaughter is very interesting. But I do not know how that explains the bullet casing being found on top blood.
Repeating things is not a bad thing. Reminds everyone of what has gone on and reinforcing whatever opinion each has.
I have refrained from stating what I think the jury will do because I cannot second guess them.
My feelings on the DP have been stated repeatedly in this forum.
I have great problems with it and therefore you could say that I am fundamentally against it.
I am not a religious person (but rather a spiritual one) and therefore I do not believe in an "eye for an eye".
The DP does not change anything except another dead person.
The DP seriously brings in to question the death of someone who could possibly be innocent.
The DP is a long, arduous process especially for the families and friends of victims.
The DP is costly, although it should never be about the money but rather punishment, IMO.
I am NOT saying that severe punishment should not be given to those who commit horrible crimes, but I do not see the DP as acting as a deterrent in any way. If someone wants to kill, they will.
But...
I agree with following the laws as they stand now.
It is the law in Arizona that with certain factors being in place, one can qualify for the DP.
I stand firmly behind the wishes of the courageous Alexander family and their journey for the ultimate justice. they deserve that support.
If the DP is given to Arias, so be it.
LWOP will be a great hazard for Arias and one I believe she will not overcome, over time.
"A leopard does not change its spots."
Arias will not change while incarcerated. Evil is inherent in her.
But she will be going up against others that are just as masterful, if not more, in the art of lying and manipulation.
I see her as an inmate who will try to endear herself to the system and the people that are there to guard her.
I believe she will make grievous mistakes and will pay for them at the hands of other inmates and/or by sanctions from the prison itself.
It will be a slow death for her and I am certainly OK with that.
She will be gone!
She will be forgotten!
THAT will make her die over and over again, each and every day of her sorry life.
(02-26-2015, 04:31 AM)VW Vixen Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Lunarscope,
I see that you have a very good grasp on her travels. I, on the other hand, really didn't. I have watched the 1st trial a few times and had heard all the names of the places she went but never put it together how far away they were from where she said she claims she actually wanted to go. Seeing it mapped out really brought it home. It's almost like she drove an extra 600 miles so she could borrow a couple of gas cans, which is ludicrous. I do remember her saying something about wanting to take photos of someones baby or something like that, but she wasn't able to connect with that person. I don't recall where this person was supposed to to be living.
I like that you mentioned Margaritaville. Only in the last day or so did I hear that this was an actual restaurant that she went to with Brewer or Matt. I don't remember Juan making a point of that during the 1st trial. Maybe I missed that. There is so much garbage that it is difficult to wade through it all. JA lies so easily and frequently that it is easy to dismiss what comes out of her mouth as lies. I figured that she did tell Ryan something about 'Margaritaville' as, one, who would just pull that name out of the blue and two, it was blatantly obvious that she was lying to Juan on the stand regarding a place with that name.
Welcome, Vixen, nice to hear your voice. The person Arias said she was going to visit to take photos of the new baby was Daryl's sister. Who knows if she even called the sister. It was just another excuse to be down that far in California, I believe, and that's where she filled the gas cans up before going over into Nevada, I think it was, and then over to Mesa. I remember Juan questioning her that she filled up in California where gas was more expensive since her reasoning for the gas cans was that she could buy gas cheaper in another state, yet she filled up the car and cans in California. It was below Los Angeles, I think. I don't believe anything she said in her testimony or when she was interviewed by Flores. I also wonder why she had several hundred dollars to deposit in that part of California. Where did that come from, I wonder. It was after she had seen Daryl and Matt McCartney. Another point that is very important to me that I hope the jury considers is how many hundreds of miles Arias drove to kill Travis. I know they are told that they have to realize that she is convicted of premeditated murder, but still it is important that she drove many hundreds of miles to kill him which shows what a horrible person she is.
(02-26-2015, 02:52 PM)NERN Wrote: [ -> ]Vixen - your comment on the order of Travis' slaughter is very interesting. But I do not know how that explains the bullet casing being found on top blood.
Repeating things is not a bad thing. Reminds everyone of what has gone on and reinforcing whatever opinion each has.
I have refrained from stating what I think the jury will do because I cannot second guess them.
My feelings on the DP have been stated repeatedly in this forum.
I have great problems with it and therefore you could say that I am fundamentally against it.
I am not a religious person (but rather a spiritual one) and therefore I do not believe in an "eye for an eye".
The DP does not change anything except another dead person.
The DP seriously brings in to question the death of someone who could possibly be innocent.
The DP is a long, arduous process especially for the families and friends of victims.
The DP is costly, although it should never be about the money but rather punishment, IMO.
I am NOT saying that severe punishment should not be given to those who commit horrible crimes, but I do not see the DP as acting as a deterrent in any way. If someone wants to kill, they will.
But...
I agree with following the laws as they stand now.
It is the law in Arizona that with certain factors being in place, one can qualify for the DP.
I stand firmly behind the wishes of the courageous Alexander family and their journey for the ultimate justice. they deserve that support.
If the DP is given to Arias, so be it.
LWOP will be a great hazard for Arias and one I believe she will not overcome, over time.
"A leopard does not change its spots."
Arias will not change while incarcerated. Evil is inherent in her.
But she will be going up against others that are just as masterful, if not more, in the art of lying and manipulation.
I see her as an inmate who will try to endear herself to the system and the people that are there to guard her.
I believe she will make grievous mistakes and will pay for them at the hands of other inmates and/or by sanctions from the prison itself.
It will be a slow death for her and I am certainly OK with that.
She will be gone!
She will be forgotten!
THAT will make her die over and over again, each and every day of her sorry life.
Nern, I would like to comment on my feeling about the death sentence which I believe should be abandoned as well, because I do think innocent people are put to death and I don't like that chance. But as far as a deterrent, I believe that it is a deterrent because for instance Arias if given the death sentence would not have the opportunity to murder again. My feeling is that once Arias killed Travis it gave her a tremendous sense of power and would probably kill again. There was a case in Texas, the McDuff case, a murderer on death row who was actually released and set free because of some government order (something about the prisons were too full, I think) and went on to murder several more women. It was atrocious. My point is that if McDuff had not been set free and had actually been put to death which was what he was on death row for, the other women would not have been murdered by him. Therefore his death sentence would have been a deterrent. McDuff enjoyed murdering women and would kill women until stopped by being in prison or put to death. But I agree that the death penalty doesn't prevent other people from murdering because they apparently aren't afraid of the death sentence.
(02-26-2015, 07:32 AM)VW Vixen Wrote: [ -> ]Great point about the weight of the gas negating any potential price difference per gallon.
I am curious about your thoughts regarding the order the wounds were inflicted on Travis. I know the Prosecution says that the gun shot was last but I'm not sure about that. I tend to believe that the gun shot was first. That JA really did want to keep it as simple and easy as possible. Knowing that the gun was an antique makes it even more plausible that the gun shot was first.
My own hypothesis on what happened was that JA got Travis to sit in the shower and pulled out the gun and pointed it at him. His reaction would be to turn his face away from the gun and that is how the bullet went in above his right eye and traveled down into his left cheek. I believe the bullet missed his brain but tore up his nasal cavity and blood gushed from his nose. Gun jams so JA cannot fire again. Did she bring the knife to the bedroom or did she have to go get it from the kitchen? Either way, she must fetch it from where ever it is. Travis is dazed in the shower and gets up and moves to the sink to see the damage. Jodi returns and starts to stab his back while he is at the sink. Travis is still very out of it and it takes a bit for him to realize he is being attacked from behind. He turns to face her and this is where he gets the stab wound to the heart. He is freaking out. Spitting blood, crying, screaming and he is dying. He makes an attempt to flee her down the hall but the wound to his heart is too much. He slides along the wall to the floor where he lay dying. JA is pumped full of adrenaline and just wants it to be done. Travis is making a lot of gruesome noises as he lay there dying and JA wants it to stop. This is when she slits his throat. It was to get him to shut up quickly.
I was a bit bothered by Dr. Horn changing his testimony and his report. I actually think he lied and I really hate saying that. Why was the Prosecution so insistent that the gun shot was last?
Vixen, I can't bring myself to believe that the medical examiner lied. What would it serve him to lie? He did say that he can't say for 100% sure, but that in his experience, he thinks it is more likely that the gunshot wound came last because there was no sign of bleeding and he suspects that the body was dead at that point. I know a lot of people think he is wrong and that the gunshot came first, but apparently he has done autopsies of thousands of dead bodies and probably has an idea of these things. I am saying that I think he has some experience and while he might be totally wrong in his observations, (so many people think he is wrong) I don't see how it would serve him to lie and I certainly do not believe Juan got him to lie because Juan wants the gunshot to be the last wound for some reason I don't understand. I also consider that Travis had defensive wounds on his hands and had the gunshot to the head been first, I can't imagine how Travis would be able to try to fend off the knife attack while suffering from the gunshot wound because surely his hands would be on his head, I think. And I also, like Nern, think that the bullet casing that is laying in a pool of blood and has no blood on the top of it tells a story. Either way, I too don't see what it matters except that the defense uses anything they can to screw up the testimony of the prosecution witnesses. My bottom line is I think the medical examiner would be taking a very serious chance with his profession if he willingly changed his evidence (the autopsy) to somehow make it more plausible because Juan wanted the slaughter to be in a particular order of wounds. Maybe he isn't good at his job but I don't think he lied. Too risky for his professional reputation, I would think. His thought was simply that the bullet track didn't show signs of bleeding which he thinks shows the body was dead at that point. We will never know because Arias would never tell the truth.
(02-26-2015, 02:59 PM)duluth45 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2015, 04:31 AM)VW Vixen Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Lunarscope,
I see that you have a very good grasp on her travels. I, on the other hand, really didn't. I have watched the 1st trial a few times and had heard all the names of the places she went but never put it together how far away they were from where she said she claims she actually wanted to go. Seeing it mapped out really brought it home. It's almost like she drove an extra 600 miles so she could borrow a couple of gas cans, which is ludicrous. I do remember her saying something about wanting to take photos of someones baby or something like that, but she wasn't able to connect with that person. I don't recall where this person was supposed to to be living.
I like that you mentioned Margaritaville. Only in the last day or so did I hear that this was an actual restaurant that she went to with Brewer or Matt. I don't remember Juan making a point of that during the 1st trial. Maybe I missed that. There is so much garbage that it is difficult to wade through it all. JA lies so easily and frequently that it is easy to dismiss what comes out of her mouth as lies. I figured that she did tell Ryan something about 'Margaritaville' as, one, who would just pull that name out of the blue and two, it was blatantly obvious that she was lying to Juan on the stand regarding a place with that name.
Welcome, Vixen, nice to hear your voice. The person Arias said she was going to visit to take photos of the new baby was Daryl's sister. Who knows if she even called the sister. It was just another excuse to be down that far in California, I believe, and that's where she filled the gas cans up before going over into Nevada, I think it was, and then over to Mesa. I remember Juan questioning her that she filled up in California where gas was more expensive since her reasoning for the gas cans was that she could buy gas cheaper in another state, yet she filled up the car and cans in California. It was below Los Angeles, I think. I don't believe anything she said in her testimony or when she was interviewed by Flores. I also wonder why she had several hundred dollars to deposit in that part of California. Where did that come from, I wonder. It was after she had seen Daryl and Matt McCartney. Another point that is very important to me that I hope the jury considers is how many hundreds of miles Arias drove to kill Travis. I know they are told that they have to realize that she is convicted of premeditated murder, but still it is important that she drove many hundreds of miles to kill him which shows what a horrible person she is.
(02-26-2015, 02:52 PM)NERN Wrote: [ -> ]Vixen - your comment on the order of Travis' slaughter is very interesting. But I do not know how that explains the bullet casing being found on top blood.
Repeating things is not a bad thing. Reminds everyone of what has gone on and reinforcing whatever opinion each has.
I have refrained from stating what I think the jury will do because I cannot second guess them.
My feelings on the DP have been stated repeatedly in this forum.
I have great problems with it and therefore you could say that I am fundamentally against it.
I am not a religious person (but rather a spiritual one) and therefore I do not believe in an "eye for an eye".
The DP does not change anything except another dead person.
The DP seriously brings in to question the death of someone who could possibly be innocent.
The DP is a long, arduous process especially for the families and friends of victims.
The DP is costly, although it should never be about the money but rather punishment, IMO.
I am NOT saying that severe punishment should not be given to those who commit horrible crimes, but I do not see the DP as acting as a deterrent in any way. If someone wants to kill, they will.
But...
I agree with following the laws as they stand now.
It is the law in Arizona that with certain factors being in place, one can qualify for the DP.
I stand firmly behind the wishes of the courageous Alexander family and their journey for the ultimate justice. they deserve that support.
If the DP is given to Arias, so be it.
LWOP will be a great hazard for Arias and one I believe she will not overcome, over time.
"A leopard does not change its spots."
Arias will not change while incarcerated. Evil is inherent in her.
But she will be going up against others that are just as masterful, if not more, in the art of lying and manipulation.
I see her as an inmate who will try to endear herself to the system and the people that are there to guard her.
I believe she will make grievous mistakes and will pay for them at the hands of other inmates and/or by sanctions from the prison itself.
It will be a slow death for her and I am certainly OK with that.
She will be gone!
She will be forgotten!
THAT will make her die over and over again, each and every day of her sorry life.
Nern, I would like to comment on my feeling about the death sentence which I believe should be abandoned as well, because I do think innocent people are put to death and I don't like that chance. But as far as a deterrent, I believe that it is a deterrent because for instance Arias if given the death sentence would not have the opportunity to murder again. My feeling is that once Arias killed Travis it gave her a tremendous sense of power and would probably kill again. There was a case in Texas, the McDuff case, a murderer on death row who was actually released and set free because of some government order (something about the prisons were too full, I think) and went on to murder several more women. It was atrocious. My point is that if McDuff had not been set free and had actually been put to death which was what he was on death row for, the other women would not have been murdered by him. Therefore his death sentence would have been a deterrent. McDuff enjoyed murdering women and would kill women until stopped by being in prison or put to death. But I agree that the death penalty doesn't prevent other people from murdering because they apparently aren't afraid of the death sentence.
Vixen - thanks for the comments.
I understand exactly what you are saying and the McDuff case was horrendous.
But I do not feel this is the norm at all and there is always an exception to the rule.
I feel that people with the mindset of being a killer do not give a tinker's damn what the punishment that could follow will be. Their feelings of entitlement to commit murder far outweighs what the consequences are. Simply put - if they want to kill, they will.
(02-26-2015, 02:35 PM)Observer Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Sheriff Arpaio is going to allow Jodi Arias to give media interviews. I don't know if she will speak to the media now she has learned she can't manipulate them and she blames the media for her conviction and she believes she will get death threats and hate mail if she speaks. If she does give interviews, I won't watch.
I don't want to listen to another word from her lying filthy mouth.
Martinez won't be speaking to the media unless he retires like Jeff Ashton did and there is no chance of that but Nurmi and Wilmot might.
I will watch interviews with the Alexanders and the jurors. But I won't watch interviews from the murderer, her mother, aunt and friend Donovan or her attorneys.
I believe that her blame of the media, her unsubstantiated receipt of death threats and hate mail were just ploys during her trial.
We have seen over and over again her use of the media in some form or another.
If given the chance to have an interview - she will take it.
Her arrogance and wanting to have her say will override.
It is who she is.
In the end, it will be up to Sheriff Joe and god knows what his agenda is!
Here's the full video of the 911 call when Zach Billings, Mimi Hall and other friends found Travis Alexander's body five days after Arias murdered him.
http://www.examiner.com/article/jodi-arias-trial-on-verdict-watch-state-asks-jury-to-return-verdict-of-death
I am only interested in reading the new replies. It gets confusing and irritating when you repeat conversations over and over. By the time I get to the reply I am confused as to who is even replying.
Can you please just hit New Reply and write your replies like we used to. I don't want to read the same stuff over and over to get to the reply.
A 20 year delay for the DP is not going to curtail!
Pasadena Ca. is where Jodi fueled her car, the amount however was lacking her capacity, its a GB argument, I'm sure she paid cash and disposed of receipts, she made 2 stops a mile away that timed 2 minutes apart in Pasadena area, so Jodi found receipts on her roadtrip!
McDonald in Lodi Ca. with ninja skateboarding screwdriver carrying was a fabrication, someone gave her that receipt (water and fries) because Jodi had a case of bottled water in her cars trunk and Lodi is in central California.
To breakdown the miles' Jodi drove 100 miles south and rented car where her brother was and sister lived, 6 hour nap' but miles were about 250 unaccounted, back to north of Yreka equates, then Jodi starts roadtrip that accounted in 3 cash deposits the next morning!
We must allow Jodi belief because 100% lies aquires O% credibility' she mixed truth in her lies for recall reasonings!
Jodi had to travel Sacramento way, 100% had to, then she drove thru Burkley = collage town, near coastline because she had many things that got done in her former neighborhood!
Observer, I will! I kept wondering why everytime I reply, the whole thing shows up. Duh. Sorry.
Lunarscope, yes, Pasadena. I had forgotten the name of that town. And what would be Arias' reason for driving back to Yreka after renting the car in Redding? I can't come up with an answer to that.
In case you are interested, HLN is now talking about the trial and it is Nancy Grace talking. I am DVRing it because, yes, I am weak.