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Good riddance to the dismissed jurors.

Juror No. 12 should never have been on the jury in the first place. He would have been another Bill Kervakis. In jury selection Juror No. 12 said the death penalty should be reserved for serial killers. He served on a jury before and found the defendant not guilty.

Juror No. 5 would have had sympathy for Jodi Arias because she is a middle aged woman who has a daughter with a drug addiction and a check fraud conviction.
There is no question in my mind that today's proceedings were planned over the weekend (or before) by the defense (Arias).

After the disastrous results from Martinez's questioning of Geffner last week, the defense did not want a repeat with the other 3 witnesses and decided best not to call them.

However, they DID have 2 affidavits they wanted brought in before they rested.

I have no idea why they left these affidavits to this time in the trial.

I do not know when this cell phone was discovered but it seems rather convenient now. The jury will note that Arias' aunt swore and affidavit regarding the phone but said absolutely nothing about the reasons her niece should live.

I also do not understand why the wait for McGee's mother's affidavit. Should have been brought in at the time her son's was. I think that she could very well be lying to try to vindicate her son after proven lies were noted in his affidavit. She can lie knowing that nothing will come of it because she is not subject to cross examination as the defense is resting.

The defense (Arias) then went on to more tricks.

First, Nurmi filed another Monday morning motion.

Second, the issue of Arias' allocution became the focus.

Totally ignoring the Supreme Court's ruling that the courtroom could not be closed and/or sealed for Arias to speak, she once again tried to manipulate JSS.
She would only do her allocution in a closed court and out of earshot of the public and media.
At one point, her lawyers told the judge that she did not want to speak but Arias corrected them stating she did.
JSS said that the courtroom would not be closed.
JSS reminded her that she would not be under oath, but it was her admittance of her crime and her remorse that the jury would be looking for.
Arias had no intention of admitting anything in her allocution.
JSS made sure that she was not taking any "mind-altering" meds AND that she understood that this was a voluntary waiver by Arias and not made under duress.
JSS even asked if the reasons for her decision were the same as before and Arias responded "yes".

With that, JSS accepted Arias' waiver and called the jury back in to the courtroom.
Instructions to the jury and closing arguments are to begin tomorrow.

Re-litigating their case makes the defense look like fools and that they had absolutely no true mitigating factors to present in this trial.

What is in store now?

1. The jury now knows they will not hear from the defendant in her own defense. Speaks volumes!
2. Except for the 2 new affidavits, no new evidence will be presented.
3. They will remember that no one came forward to speak on Arias' behalf.

and.....

4. What will Arias do now, before this jury goes for their deliberations.
(02-24-2015, 01:43 AM)NERN Wrote: [ -> ]There is no question in my mind that today's proceedings were planned over the weekend (or before) by the defense (Arias).

After the disastrous results from Martinez's questioning of Geffner last week, the defense did not want a repeat with the other 3 witnesses and decided best not to call them.

However, they DID have 2 affidavits they wanted brought in before they rested.

I have no idea why they left these affidavits to this time in the trial.

I do not know when this cell phone was discovered but it seems rather convenient now. The jury will note that Arias' aunt swore and affidavit regarding the phone but said absolutely nothing about the reasons her niece should live.

I also do not understand why the wait for McGee's mother's affidavit. Should have been brought in at the time her son's was. I think that she could very well be lying to try to vindicate her son after proven lies were noted in his affidavit. She can lie knowing that nothing will come of it because she is not subject to cross examination as the defense is resting.

The defense (Arias) then went on to more tricks.

First, Nurmi filed another Monday morning motion.

Second, the issue of Arias' allocution became the focus.

Totally ignoring the Supreme Court's ruling that the courtroom could not be closed and/or sealed for Arias to speak, she once again tried to manipulate JSS.
She would only do her allocution in a closed court and out of earshot of the public and media.
At one point, her lawyers told the judge that she did not want to speak but Arias corrected them stating she did.
JSS said that the courtroom would not be closed.
JSS reminded her that she would not be under oath, but it was her admittance of her crime and her remorse that the jury would be looking for.
Arias had no intention of admitting anything in her allocution.
JSS made sure that she was not taking any "mind-altering" meds AND that she understood that this was a voluntary waiver by Arias and not made under duress.
JSS even asked if the reasons for her decision were the same as before and Arias responded "yes".

With that, JSS accepted Arias' waiver and called the jury back in to the courtroom.
Instructions to the jury and closing arguments are to begin tomorrow.

Re-litigating their case makes the defense look like fools and that they had absolutely no true mitigating factors to present in this trial.

What is in store now?

1. The jury now knows they will not hear from the defendant in her own defense. Speaks volumes!
2. Except for the 2 new affidavits, no new evidence will be presented.
3. They will remember that no one came forward to speak on Arias' behalf.

and.....

4. What will Arias do now, before this jury goes for their deliberations.

The previous story (in the first trial) about the lost heliophone was that Arias thought it had been stolen while she went into a cafe to pick up an order and had left the phone in her grandfather's car and couldn't find it when she came back out and then reported the theft to the police and the insurance paid for her to get a new phone. Conveniently years later, the phone was found by an aunt while cleaning out the grandfather's car. The two stories don't match. Remember also that Arias conveniently couldn't find her charger on her way down to murder Travis but conveniently found it after getting out of Arizona. I think Arias hid the heliophone in a safe place until she could use it if needed in a trial to try to get a jury to think Travis was a sex maniac and I do believe she recorded Travis to blackmail him or use the sex recording to make him out to be a sex pervert. The phone conveniently showed up a few years later.
Nern, thanks for the link to that excellent article about Jodi Arias willing to die because of her ego.

Anyone who would butcher someone like Jodi Arias did because he wouldn't marry her and then thinking she was justified in doing so is not normal. So maybe she does fear people want to kill her because they say she deserves the death penalty for murdering Travis Alexander. She believes he was abusing her and cheating on her because he didn't want to marry her. She can't understand why the public doesn't see that she was justified in making him suffer and then dispatching him to hell where she believes he is burning for his sins. But she believes she will go to heaven because God is going to understand.

That still doesn’t make her too crazy to be executed. Aileen Wuornos passed a psychological test two days before she was executed. Listen to her giving a press conference the day before she was executed for murdering seven men and you will see that being crazy doesn’t stop a dangerous murderer from being executed.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=aileen+wuornos+video&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=810FFA064F719D7B3359810FFA064F719D7B3359
This is the story of a murder that happened within a 35 minute drive of where I live. I think this was the first trial I followed. It parallels the story of Jodi Arias with one exception...Christa Gail Pike is sometimes brutally honest. But her manipulative ways, her diagnosis, and the manner in which she committed this barbaric murder could almost be the story of Jodi Ann Arias. On this site there are several actual written accounts of this murder, but I think this one shows the murder to be almost a twin to the Arias murder of Travis Alexander. BPD is a chilling diagnosis, it seems to me. Here is the link and one of the summaries that is on that site. (One is the higher court decision, with all their reasons for denying her claim to them and it’s very long.)
Christa Pike | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers
http://murderpedia.org/female.P/p/pike-christa.htm

She Just Felt Mean
Criminologists who are looking to solve the question of nature vs. nurture in determining what causes criminal behavior won’t get anywhere by examining the terrible case of Christa Gail Pike of Knoxville, Tennessee. The only people who might get anything of value by looking at Christa’s life and crimes are those of us who like to scare ourselves silly by staring into the heart of evil.
According to her mother, by the time Pike was 8 years old, she was incorrigible. Pike had been born prematurely, which is effective as an indicator of absolutely nothing, but her aunt testified that the girl had not bonded with her mother because she had been raised by her maternal grandmother until the grandmother died in 1988. Again, that tells us nothing. Thousands of people are raised by people other than their mothers and don’t turn into murderers.
Of course, Pike’s grandmother was an abusive alcoholic. So are the “caregivers” of many empathetic and healthy people. After her grandmother died while Pike was in her teens, the girl was shuffled between her parents, who were not married to each other. Pike’s mother, a nurse, testified at her daughter’s trial that as a pathetic, belated effort to bond with her daughter, the two of them smoked pot together “in order to establish a friendship.”
The marijuana may have helped Pike ease the physical pain caused by a beating one of her mother’s boyfriends had given her with a belt.
By the time she turned 18, Pike had been thrown out of her father’s house twice. He testified that she was disobedient, dishonest, and manipulative. She was finally told to leave because she was suspected of sexually abusing his 2-year-old daughter from his second marriage.
Before she became a murderer, there were plenty of public indications that Pike had serious problems.
Her mother claimed she had been growing marijuana in pots in her home by the age of 9 (a claim that is difficult to believe without corroboration), and had been allowed a live-in boyfriend at 14 (a not-so-difficult-to-swallow allegation). When her mother’s boyfriend whipped her with a belt, she wielded a butcher knife against him before calling the police.
Pike’s aunt took the stand and said she refused to allow her own children to associate with her niece because the girl lived in a filthy home with no ground rules. She didn’t say if she ever sought help for the girl, however.
In fact, none of Pike’s family members said much about what kind of help they tried to find for the obviously troubled young woman.
In January 1995, Pike, by this time a high school dropout (surprise!), was taking classes at the Job Corps Center in Knoxville. On January 11, Pike told an aquaintance, Kim Iloilo, that she was planning to kill another student, Colleen Slemmer, because she “just felt mean that day.”
Iloilo discounted the threat as just talk. However, at 8 p.m. the next day, Iloilo saw Pike, Colleen, Shadolla Peterson and Tadaryl Shipp, who was Pike’s boyfriend, walking away from the Job Corps Center. Two hours later, she saw all of them — except Slemmer — return. Still, she thought nothing of it.
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Around 11 p.m., Pike went to Iloilo’s dorm room at the Job Corps Center and confessed that she had killed Colleen. To prove it, she showed Iloilo something that she claimed was a piece of Colleen’s skull. In horrifying detail, Pike described how she had forced Colleen to remove her shirt and bra, beat her with a chunk of asphalt, slashed her throat, and carved a pentagram into her victim’s chest and forehead.
Iloilo testified at Pike’s trial that while Pike was recounting the butchery, she was dancing around in a circle, smiling and singing.
The next day, Pike told another student a similar story, pointing to brown spots on her shoes and saying “that ain’t mud on my shoes, that’s blood.” She presented her grisly trophy to the student, as well.
For whatever reason, neither Iloilo or the other student reported Pike’s claims to anyone. However, at 8 a.m. on January 13, Knoxville Police and the University of Tennessee Police Department were summoned to the greenhouses on the agricultural campus where an employee had found what he first assumed was the remains of an animal.
It turned out to be the body of Colleen Slemmer.
She was nude from the waist up. Her head had been bludgeoned and her throat had been cut. It’s really not necessary to describe in detail how she had been abused, suffice to say that the first responding officer testified that when he arrived at the scene he thought he was looking at the victim’s face, but he couldn’t be sure because it was so mutilated.
The medical examiner testified that it was office technique to document major sharp force or slash and stab wounds by assigning each one a letter. During the course of the autopsy the pathologist realized that if she labeled each wound according to policy, she would run out of letters and have to resort to labeling some of the major wounds “AA, BB,CC” and so forth.
“I basically threw up my hands and just said innumerable more superficial slash wounds on the back arms and chest,” she testified.
Unfortunately, Pike tortured Colleen before killing her. The medical examiner noted numerous gaping wounds across the girl’s arms, torso and neck, and stated that “the area around each wound was red in appearance, indicating that the heart had still been beating when the wound was inflicted,” the Tennessee Appeals Court wrote. “She also testified that none of the aforementioned wounds would have rendered the victim unconscious.”
The cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. The ME’s testimony corroborated that of the other witnesses who said Pike had kept a piece of Colleen’s skull.
It didn’t take long for police to connect Pike with the killing. For some reason (Freud wrote that there are no accidents), Pike left a jacket in a counselor’s office on January 13, and when he returned from a long weekend and learned she was suspected of being involved in the murder, he turned it over to police. In the pocket was the piece of bone from Colleen’s head.
The jacket was helpful evidence, but the prosecution didn’t need it because on January 13, Pike, in an interview with police, confessed to the killing and consented to a search of her dorm room where they found her blood-soaked jeans. She then led the authorities to the trash bin where she dumped Colleen’s ID and gloves. Next she took the police to the crime scene, retracing her steps and describing in chilling detail the events.
Her confession, when transcribed, is 46 pages long.
According to Pike, she and Colleen had been having problems for some time. They liked the same man and Pike said one time Colleen had threatened her with a box cutter. She said on the day of the killing she had only planned to fight with Colleen because her rival had been “running her mouth” and Pike wanted her to leave her alone.
She lured Colleen into the deserted UT campus with the promise of some marijuana, but when they got there, Pike grabbed Colleen and slammed the girl’s head into her knee.
She then threw Colleen on the ground and began the assault. At one point, as she slammed Colleen’s head into the concrete, the helpless victim pleaded, “why are you doing this to me?”
Something had clearly snapped in Pike’s head, because the more Colleen pleaded, the angrier Pike got.
The assault-cum-murder was also egged on by the two people watching Pike beat her victim. Watching is not a truly accurate term, because at one point Colleen attempted to flee, only to be grabbed by Peterson or Shipp and pushed back to the ground.
Pike told police she heard “voices” telling her to do something to prevent Colleen from sending her to prison for attempted murder.
Finally, in an effort to save her life, Colleen said that if Pike let her go, she would “walk back to her home in Florida without returning to the Job Corps Facility for her belongings.”
In response, Pike told her to shut up because “it was harder to hurt somebody when they’re talking to you.”
The assault took about 30 minutes and was interrupted at one point because Pike thought she heard someone coming. So what made Christa Pike kill?
Psychiatrists examined her and found her to be an “extremely bright young woman.” Her IQ tested at 111, which the clinicians found remarkable considering her upbringing and the fact that she was a drop-out. They judged her to be sane in legal terms. They found no symptoms of brain damage, which can corrolate to violence in some cases (usually frontal lobe damage).
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The battery of tests found that Pike was marijuana-dependent and abused inhalants. She was diagnosed as having borderline personality disorder, a condition that takes its name from its original assumption that a person suffering from the disorder was on the borderline between neurosis and psychosis.
People with borderline personality disorder are similar to psycopaths and just as dangerous. They have poor impulse control, volatile affect, a fluctuating self-image that bounces between despair and self-aggrandizement, and they often have problems in relationships.
According to criminologist Katherine Ramsland, people with borderline personality disorder are highly resistant to treatment because, “like vampires, these people just drain a therapist and move on to the next one.” Even Pike’s own family found that she had refused to abide by the basic standards of society from an early age. There is almost no chance that she can change now. At best, the taxpayers of Tennessee will simply have to warehouse her until she is too old and feeble to be a danger to anyone, and even then I wouldn’t turn my back on her.
Shortly after she was convicted and sentenced to die for her crime, Pike wrote a letter to her boyfriend, complaining about the treatment she got from the court.
“Ya see what I get for trying to be nice to the hoe? I went ahead and bashed her brains out so she’d die quickly instead of letting her bleed to death and suffer more, and they f—in FRY me!!! Ain’t that some shit,” she wrote.
There is no doubt that Pike killed Colleen. There is no doubt that she is legally sane. But still, the Tennessee courts look upon her and wonder what to do with her because of the depravity she exhibits. Someone who is so bad can’t be responsible, right? If a person does something this heinous, they must be sick and we can’t execute a sick person. But the courts keep finding that Pike isn’t sick. She just doesn’t care. And not caring is not the same as being insane. Pike knows that killing is wrong, and she can assist with her own defense, the two components of a legal sanity test. Since she can do those things, there’s nothing that can be done to help her because she doesn’t want to be helped.
She proved this by attempting to strangle another inmate while on death row. In July 2004, she received an additional 25 years for this attempted murder.
All that remains is punishment and retribution, which doesn’t say much for us as a society.
It’s likely that Pike will one day be executed by the State of Tennessee for her crimes. Besides spending a few years on Earth helping trees by converting oxygen into carbon dioxide, she hasn’t done much good in this world and based on her track record and the predictions of those who study these things, there’s scant chance she’s going to do much to make this world a better place. It’s truly awful to say that the world would be better off without someone, but occasionally, a person comes along who makes a very compelling case for that view.
In the end, we are left wondering what went wrong and if it was ever possible to save her.


Do you all see the connections to Jodi Arias? The diagnosis, the manipulation, the hideous, brutal murder, its all a lot the same as Jodi Ann Arias.
A notation about the phone, we tried to fault Jodi's conflicting stories' but Jodi did report it missing and received a insurance replacement, the two new evidences and the new Nurmi filed motion are for a trial do-over in Jodi's mind, I've been discussing the possibility of Jodi (bluffing = changing her mind) allocating, but I cannot imagine anything of value for her to say, and I think she realizes that from a advice standpoint!

I've viewed Pike above and like Jodi I believe the deficiency lies in birth defect or infantile brain injury and recommend brain scans for assumed criminally insane pretrial, plus after verdict a worst of the worst hearing they speeds the execution process or eliminates possibility of the convict ever having good-behavior freedom of association with other prisoners!

If Jodi can manipulate (I call it intimidation) her Judge, she has the ability to charm advantages in confinement, and results always will be others' receiving undue punishment or reprimands!

On JII CanadaCarol said,

The only thing that makes sense to me is that they were discussing the below since it has a docket date of today.

Case Documents
Filing Date 2/22/2015 – Docket Date – 2/23/2015
NOTE: DEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO THE STATE MAKING ARGUMENT RELATED TO AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH PROBABLE CAUSE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND AND/OR ASSERTING THAT A LIFE SENTENCE COULD LEAD TO MS. ARIAS’ BEING RELEASED FROM PRISON.

@ Filed day before yesterday and scheduled for yesterday!
But first jury ruled Aggravating Circumstances so Probable Cause argument is mute!
Unless frivolous motion filing is acceptable!
Or' is Canada Carol posting nonsense, because she wants the possibility of Jodi getting a impossible release!
Nurmi did have a motion tabled for yesterday' so I'm confused!

If Jodi doesn't speak to the Jury' Then the Alexander family should Again give their impact statements = "Again"!

Edited-in on bottom, because I spell repaired!
Justice, yes Pike is chillingly another Arias. Both were incorrigible at a young age, hated their mother, smoked and grew pot, tortured their victim and killed them and then blamed the victim, believe they are being persecuted by the system because they did society and the victim a favor and were diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder.

It is important to me because the article you cut and pasted shows:

1-Borderline Personality Disorder is as dangerous as Antisocial Personality Disorder.


2- Because Arias and Pike don’t see they did anything wrong, they will kill again.

3-There is no treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder so LWOP or death is the only option to stopping them from murdering again.

When Arias refused to allocute unless she could do it without the media and public learning what she said, the judge was smart in explaining to her that the Superior Court of Appeals and State Supreme Court said she could not do that and asked her if she understood she would not be cross examined and asked her if she was taking any medication.

That way no higher court could overturn a death sentence saying she was medicated and/or didn’t understand she couldn’t be cross examined.

There is a possibility that Arias could change her mind and allocute but I don’t think she will. She would rather receive the death penalty than admit she is wrong. She believes she is right that the media is to blame for her receiving hate mail.

Yes, people want Arias to get the death penalty because she committed a horrific murder, shows no remorse and is blaming the victim, the prosecutor, law enforcement, the media, and the public for what she did.

But no one is trying to kill her and if they were, she is guarded 24 hours so they can’t get to her.
I am so tired of all the comments blaming JSS for everything.

Bashing the judge continually does not achieve anything.
JSS had a job to do - preside over the Jodi Ann Arias murder case.

The first trial resulted in a guilty verdict - guilty of Premeditated First Degree Felony Murder with the Aggravating Factor of Extreme Cruelty.

I couldn't agree more that the first trial went on far too long but even with the perceived latitude JSS gave to the defense, it still resulted in the desired verdict and I am sure she was pleased with the results as was everyone else.

Arias' manipulation got to the jury and they could not make a unanimous decision. That had nothing to do with the judge.

This second trial has been a three-ring circus from the get go.
Trashing of the victim, lying witnesses, bogus defense experts, AND total manipulation and disrespect for the law, the legal system itself and the court by the defense (Arias).

Apparently the public and the media do not care that grounds for sound appeals could result from this trial but rather.....as long as she gets the DP, they will be happy and will forget her.
Would it be Justice for Travis if Arias gets the DP - of course!
That is what everyone wants, including me, but importantly the Alexander family.
But to have a real possibility that an appeal could overturn the sentence is NOT Justice for Travis.

The judge accepted all of the many, many, many motions and although she took her time, she ruled - and not in the defense's favour.
She caused a fervour when she closed the courtroom when Arias was to testify.
But I believe she knew that it would be overturned in the end after the defense took it as far as they could through the law and it WAS by the Arizona Supreme Court.
Now she had something to fall back on if the defense tried to do anything similar.

She allowed the defense to bring in the same testimony over and over again and drag this case on beyond all expectations.
She allowed affidavits that I believe she knew were lies to begin with but also knew that they would be shot down by a brilliant prosecutor.

She gave the defense every opportunity to put on their case.
It made the public and the media furious but she was leaving no door open for future appeals.

Yesterday, in what many have seen to be another "give-in" to the defense and Arias, JSS gave ear to (but only ear) to Arias latest demands.
She instructed Arias a couple of times on the rules set out for an allocution - no cross examination and she would not be under oath.
She asked if Arias' reasons were the same as in the past.
She asked if she took any meds.
She asked if this was a voluntary waiver.
BUT, she also reminded Arias that the allocution was the chance for Arias to specifically speak to her crime, to show remorse and beg for mercy from the jury.
She gave her every opportunity to change her mind and decide to make an allocution.

Arias declined

The judge said OK and called the jury in to inform them that instructions to them and closing arguments would begin today.

Maybe JSS played right into Arias' hand - who knows? By not giving her allocution is she daring the jury to give her the DP when she would not stand before them and beg for her life? In her world, only a mentally ill person would do that.

This case came right on the heels of the Casey Anthony case and what so many felt were disastrous results.
Everyone was reeling from outrage, anger and anguish with the C. A. verdict.
With even having only limited knowledge of that case as I did not follow it, I would agree with how people felt.
People did not want the same conclusion to happen in this case.

But THIS case is not a clone to C. A.'s.
This case is unique in its own right.
This case has a different judge, different defense lawyers and different prosecutor.
The crime itself is far different.

Except for both defendants being manipulative and pathological liars - there can be no comparison.

I believe, that although some things she did were questionable, JSS presided over this case in the way she felt it could come to a favourable conclusion AND reduce or eliminate any grounds for appeals by Arias.
She had a difficult defendant and a difficult defense team that would hit below the belt and do any unethical trick they could to get their desired result.
She DID have a brilliant prosecutor and she knew that.
She ran her court in the way that she felt was most effective despite the criticism from so many.

To blame and trash her because she did her job the way she did and against what the public and media felt she should do is unfair when SHE is the one on the bench each and every day, with ALL the knowledge of the case - something that the public and media are not nor should be privy to.

I am not saying that "secret" is the way to go but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. JSS had ALL of the knowledge of the case and its proceedings.

She has done her job and now we will see the final results.

Justice,

Thanks for refreshing my memory. I remember seeing a program on Pike. It was the pentagram that reminded me.

For me, the glaring difference between Pike and Arias is their childhoods.

Pike had a horrible childhood filled with unloving, uncaring and even abusive people. This background was all corroborated.

Arias, on the other hand, had a normal childhood for all intensive purposes. There is absolutely no corroboration to her allegations of abuse, drug dealing parents and unloving family members.

Pike received no help of any kind when people experienced her troublesome behaviour and therefore by sheer ignorance, it was almost condoned by others and it is a behaviour that Pike felt was justified and OK.

Arias, although in her teens people thought she was "not right", had no reason for intervention. She had a family that cared.

But having said this, both have been diagnosed with BPD, both committed heinous crimes and importantly, both are competent under the law and definitely know right from wrong.

I think that Arias is far more dangerous as she is devious in her actions and takes time to plan her moves.
That is not to say that Pike is not dangerous, as evident by her trying to kill another inmate. But her actions seem to be far more spontaneous.
Arias takes time, sets people up, plans her every move before she strikes, all the while acting as a sweet, caring person. THAT IS EVIL AND TERRIBLY DANGEROUS.
Thanks Nern' evident by backstabbing wounds' and however first wound was assaulted it was alike a backstab, plus nude defenseless and 3 times overkill! The normalcy appearance has Jodi a Worst of the Worst, she Charms to Slaughter!

I also think Travis was so respected and financially secure Jodi loved the stuff = what money buys and popularity avails more actually instead of Travis in relationship to normal love with devotion!