Lunarscope,
The link you provided is exactly the same as the one I posted REGARDING q AND a WITH tROY hAYDEN.
I AM VERY SCEPTICAL OF ANY REPORTER!
But I have to say that as I posted, I felt that this interview was quite good.
Hayden is very careful to not make any statement that he has not had confirmed to him. He was quite upfront that NO evidence of crimes or wrongdoing have been identified to date with regard to jury tampering or the money trail.
As far as fueling the public opinion, if he could not answer questions definitively and with proof, he said so.
Yes, he has an opinion on the fact that Arias got Life and not the DP but he spoke of the "worst of the worst" being anyone who murders a child, a defenseless child. I have to agree with that. In an earlier interview he also included police officers.
He did not ignore Martinez with regard to juror #17. He talked about Martinez' motion to have her dismissed (which was denied). He also spoke about the fact that more research should have been done after juror #17 stated she had and is married to two men who are convicted felons.
I have always felt that, in the best interest of the Alexander family and their ability to move forward in their lives, life was a clear option. No years and years of appeals and having to attend court and face Arias. I also have felt that a DP verdict could be commuted to life and/or the DP could be abolished long before it is carried out. Just my opinion.
I DO have to say, that because of the horrendous nature of Arias' crime, because the Alexander family wanted the DP and that it is the current law in Arizona and Arias qualified, I supported the DP in this case.
And yes, your second link posted did not work.
Your right about the link being the same' Me clicking on your link (my phone) went to where I stopped viewing and I didn't look at start time that was mid story, sorry!
I added a second link to that story, for now on I'll make sure link doesn't say Facebook with is o much length.
On Troy' I disagree about the DP for only cop or child killers, worst of the worst perspective, and I believe he would lose that debate with me one on one, but if someone is 100% against the DP I respect their conviction without an opposing argument' its a agree to disagree thing!
I suspect #17's current husband of mob activities and am convinced her first husband was doing drive-by killing, but I wait for the law to resolve, she admitted to researching Jodi throughout the trial and that's misconduct assured' to what degree is awaiting resolve' again we wait.
I stand by Alexander family' they know that a DP tabled has certain issues' I read nothing into what's assumed a better closure, I have their back' and if they dropped the quest for the DP I would still have their back, but I don't think anyone can tell them their better-off, plus frankly I don't accept the more costly appeal argument, in Arizona their 12 years and Jodi would likely has less time due to lack of excuses, being notorious and killing a corpse in the network of public opinion!
My day just got better when I read that according to the Perryville Prison 50% of a prisoner's commissary can be taken for restitution for the family. It takes so little to make me happy. Hopefully any monies donated to Arias by her fan club can all be taken from her as restitution.
I will just sit back and wait to see if any of these things being speculated on regarding the money trails are verified by the authorities.
Lunarscope,
I believe that it comes down to one's own personal opinion on the DP. For me, it isn't about winning or losing the debate. I respect other's opinions but just do not necessarily agree - like you.
I would back the Alexander family in whatever stance they took/take.
What I want for them is to find some peace in all of this and continue, however they can, with their lives. They have many more years to live. I also want them to try and put the awful stuff they have heard and seen about their brother on the back burner and rejoice in the time they had with him. Although he is gone, memories can be a great comfort.
Whatever happens with #17, I am grateful that it changes nothing for Arias.
Whatever happens with the "money trail", I sincerely hope that if the law has been broken, then the culprits are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Edit-in thanks Nerm and I want the same' your post came while I was writing and I posted before reading, we all just want what's best and I'm still anticipating the law to rear its claws, I'm worried their going to miss some things' and their are so many things going on in the 7 years' ignored, just going by what I just posted in the last few days' word is out and Arizona must respond, that Simon = SJ has made Millions by scamming without ever having a thing to sell (aside his books) Americans alone have given him their hard earned money for not for 25 years, and he just refuses to stop, while the law didn't want to contend with his high dollar legal team, again paid for absent any product' beyond scamming!
I had arguments to this all ready (each paragraph) for posting' but zapped away, (I'll get to it later) yes we just wait!
Jodi will be broke and lose 1/2 of her pay for cleaning toilets' but she will (like Troy said) make friends, because she molds into personalities (if she survives' that is), Jodi is allowed $80.00 a month and if her friends give her money (like OJ) it would take $160.00 a month for Jodi to get her $80.00 to spend, let's just assume Jodi gets nothing' and she will have nothing, her parents will have nothing, she is called a 'Ward of the Courts' and lives on what broke convicts live on, the Alexander family with Attorney getting 40%' only need a value of a retainer' the guy with her artwork has $4.100.00, so the Alexander family lose no retainer costs' pre-paid legal was Travis and Hughes' the PPL is not involved but theirs Attorneys wanting free money for the cost of filing paperwork,
Juan Martinez Prosecutor Support Page 12 hrs ago
Some were confused about a docket entry today. The State did not file any Motions today. That docket entry today was only indicating the Defenses Motion for Mistrial on March 4th.....
@ Martinez filed a motion, then filed a motion with proof on the next day, now we have new submitted' the composer of article is confused, their are 2 options, motion is moot or motion is held!
State filed a Motion to strike Juror 17 on March 3, alleging that she had viewed the movie “The Secret” and researched “The Law of Attraction World” recently, according to activity on her Facebook page.
Juror 17 said she had not “read, seen or heard anything about the case in the media,” according to documents. She said she had read “The Secret” and seen the movie two years before the trial started.
@ So what is it #17's word or the State?
The State filed a second motion to strike Juror 17 the following day, accusing her of accessing her Facebook page and “liking” various local and national media outlets. The State argued that Juror 17 could have seen local media coverage of the trial on her newsfeed, said court documents. However, the Court said all jurors had the opportunity to do that, and no misconduct was found on the part of Juror 17.
@ Now we find the State had Proof and the Court found No Proof! Note one of her news feeds didn't exist' web page exist until midtrial, Nancy Grace was also on her favorite list' watched during trial.
On March 4th, the defense then filed a motion for mistrial, citing juror coercion regarding the individual questioning of the jurors. That motion was denied.
@ Motion denied is not motion eliminated in a court of law, it's up to Martinez to forget or if warrented table!
I want the jury system to work, this juror had married the day before her first husband (drive-by shooting' death resulting) got his light prison term, later busted again = divorced, her second husband also has been in prison.
So what can be the avenues of research, Mob, Mafia, Drugs, I wait' but I see no less than collusion' to hang a jury and ponder if their was a third party payoff or favor, cause their is #17 guilty of assured Juror misconduct' nevertheless, gossip is notwithstanding!
Because she friended a news web page that didn't exist pre-trial, plus court officials and defense attorney under fire for investigation!
I've been thinking about some things. Things that don't make much sense to me.
1- We've heard a lot out of the defense team about 'threats'...threats to their 'star' witness, which turned out to be ... Arias. No proof offered about how she could have death threats while being guarded in the jail.
2- Threats that made it 'impossible' for 13 of her witnesses to testify. Again, no proof of any kind.
3- Threats to Nurmi and Wilmott. Again, no proof was given.
4- Threats against the 'hold out' witness, but again...no proofs presented.
Meanwhile, Juan presented 'proof' that she had been viewing news sites and Nancy Grace, but this gets a slap down by the Judge. As if it would be improper for her to wait that 2 weeks for her decision.
I expect that next, MDLR will be screaming she's getting 'threats', even tho' from what I understand, her accounts were all private.
Then, what is it about the number 14 concerning the defense team?
They claimed they had 14 witness who would testify IF they could testify in private.
Even after presenting 4 witnesses...Arias, 'fake name, fake computer expert 'Smith', Fonseco and Geffner....they STILL claimed to have 14 witnesses anxious to testify, if they could do so in secret. I must have forgotten how to subtract. I would think there would still be 10, not still 14 of them.
Now, we've heard there are 14 banks involved in hiding donations and money in the latest smoke screen. What's up with the number 14?
@ So what is it #17's word or the State?
Lunarscope,
Why would anyone come forward or to be questioned, in good faith, when they would be called liars because it wasn't what the State says?
If Martinez wanted this juror off definitively, he would have pursued the issue more vigorously than he did. He would not have just accepted the denial of his motions. He is a professional and very good at what he does. If he believes in something, he stays with it.
When questioned, #17 answered and we have to assume it was the truth.
When each and every juror could have been looking at social media during their tenure, how do you just dismiss one without researching all of them?
I agree that all parties involved, State and Defense, should thoroughly research each and every prospective juror's background BEFORE accepting them.
AND......#17 is NOT a convicted felon. She is being punished because she has been married to one or two.
She is an individual in her own right, should not be condemned for her marriage choices nor does anyone have the right to do so!
Someone needs to explain to me how a citizen who is called for jury duty can get themselves put on a specific case when there are many cases calling for jury members and it is not known to them which they could be sitting on until they are called to the courtroom.
If one says that there is a conspiracy that goes over and beyond and others are tampering with the steps to secure the jury they want, I have severe trouble believing it in this case.
There is no Mob, Mafia or Drugs in this case.
Arias is an scorned woman who because of rejection, slaughtered Travis Alexander.
She is NOT a Mob Princess or anything resembling one.
She is a citizen who took the law into her own hands and now is paying the heavy price for her actions.
It is the public that is making her out to be more powerful than she is.
Can she manipulate others - absolutely!
Will she continue to break the law to get what she wants - absolutely!
Perryville is aware of her and what she will do and I believe they will be vigilant.
Are others helping her to raise money and hiding it from everyone - absolutely I believe.
Those that are being investigated by authorities will be called to answer for their actions.
Arias has been called on her actions and is now out of circulation until her sentencing and transport to Perryville - where she will languish for the rest of her life as she should.
Justice' the threats are distraction' (cry wolf) accuse before being accused, drug user type of blame before being blamed!
I don't like Nurmi' but I yet to see a single attack on the possibility of his branching towards risking his career' plus he doesn't need to at "300.00 an hour' plus charging for filing motions!
Now Willmott makes less than half of Nurmis hourly rate, she is under the spotlight' MDLR is just awaiting being charged.
The 14 banks are just the headline released' more are likely, their are offshore banks that are hiding the bulk of the money!
Simon was living in Switzerland for reasons, and Interpo would love to grab him, its just expensive to prosecute a millionaire who has money laundering experience, FBI has States who wrote warrants for his scam artistry, Its not piety but its not assault either, and people scammed often decide to late' that the suing is just to bothersome, after a case is filed, not all' but class action dropouts can ruin a lawsuit!
Two things the news release told, many many transferring of monies = for concealment as in can't see the tree in its forest and all internet banks = no brick and mortar banks!
Nern #17. coming forward wouldn't help any thing, I hope you didn't think I was asking for a excuse of her, she has caused a event a hung-jury and blame or no blame, we will find out only from Arizona law pressing charges or not. But the spotlight goes with the territory' its human nature compound by ease of social media conversations.
I do not believe anyone should have their personal businesses outed, minus proper reporting to proper authorities! JII posted she better get police protection before she arrived home, so she did' I don't believe she was threatened' but could have been, getting protection and getting a attorney was smart no matter what after she discovered her Facebook address was outed by reading messages!
I think what we have (correct me if I'm wrong) is a need to see if she did wrong. I know #17 was on social Jodi Arias media after trial started, and I don't believe Willmott that that was the status quo or even just 2 other jurors were using social media as far as warranting a mis-trial is involved' and that is what the motions were related = motions for mistrial avoidance' appellate issues a close second concern!
And motion just last night was filed' as in the same motion' new date, that's _Martinez saying juror misconduct' he can saddle a motion with specifics when or if, but it is a action!
And I watched Jodi using her note pad whispering during Jury selection' I blame Nurmi and Willmott for somehow pulling the wool over JSS and Martinez professional eyes' she only needed to find a weak minded juror that passed the selection process, then not lose her and eliminate alternatives, if that's what's discovered' I wouldn't be surprised!
I count 15 jurors who wanted justice and showed up seaking that goal, 16 if counting the one who stood-out in disagreement (unsupportive to date) the only defense possibility was a mis-trial, and reducing the juror seats was goal number one, delay and let them be dismissed while yelling (Nurmi) mis-trial' even for jury ears, now let's just assume jury chairs reduced to 12 with that assumption I believe #17 would have quit for deliberation avoidance, in essence supporting #17 is a possible disrespect for the 11 DP and 2 alternate jurors endurance and persistentance I account the 2 jurors who were dismissed just prior to deliberations' under investigation is juror handler Janet who said she heard one of them say "let's fry the bitch" the law has matters at hand, and we wait!
I post on another page and it has not been too pleasant, but I persevere.
My entire point about #17 is that until, through an investigation by authorities, proof of misconduct or having an agenda or outright lying is given, I cannot make assumptions or speculate as to the mindset of this woman.
I was not present during any of the proceedings, inside the court or in the judge's chambers, and information comes from the same comments/postings and remarks as everyone else reads. I find that people are quick to judge and vilify anyone who does not see their logic.
I need facts in front of me, not assumptions or people's personal opinions (although I DO have respect for individuals' opinions - unlike others on the other page I have posted on). If I didn't feel that the Administrators of the page were fair in their postings, I would leave the discussion now rather than wait until after Arias is sentenced. The page keeps me up-to-date in the areas I am interested in.
The facts in the trial were given and proved and therefore I absolutely agree with the guilty verdict, the evilness of Arias and that she is getting what she deserves. She lied consistently and that was also proven. she deserves to rot in Perryville.
But juror #17 - until it is proven she absolutely lied, I find it hard to form a hateful opinion of her like soooooo many others have on social media.
This forum has consistently seen a respect for all commentators despite some disagreement and that is why I have remained.
Justice' you forgot their were 14 juror's then 2 became alternates, I don't think any threats were real (except to Jodi wanting the DP was threatning) but nasty people cloaked in internet stealth post hate' that can be attributed to threatening, something Maria and Jodi perfected, we have people on our blog that were going to JII consistently and reporting the hate and posts' they were reading insanity that just rots away normalization, we would ask them how they were unaffected' when they would be saying their going to quit' time and again, I see hate everywhere Jodi is discussed (not here or on JDT) but that hate on JII is the reverse' seldom do they post with reasonability or logics and everything was a effort to pound their agenda, each kissing up to hatefulness, it was so much that they had to review all their comments just to delete the hate, what post to read to delete' Yes that was a year ago!
Watch this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXd0IPu_9XM#t=360